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Showing posts with label Titleist Pro V1. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Titleist Pro V1. Show all posts

Tuesday, 20 June 2023

New Versus Used Golf Balls

New Versus Used Golf Balls

Recently we saw results of a test of New versus Scuffed Golf Balls, where the new golf ball outperformed the scuffed golf ball by 32.5 yards in a distance test with a driver. 

Here at Drive Golf Performance, when fitting for golf clubs, we use a combination of new and used golf balls, some of the golf balls have scuffs on them but we really haven't noticed any drop off in the performance of used/scuffed golf balls over the new ones.

Normally we tell golfers to use a golf ball until they lose it, that it would take 9 or 10 rounds of golf before the ball looks like it might lose any performance.

We decided to do our own test on golf balls and compared 12 used golf balls versus 12 new golf balls.

 

 

Used Pro V1

 


New Pro V1


We took 12 new Titleist Pro V1 out of a box and gathered up 12 used ones, both are pictured above, the wear and scuffs are pretty clear on the used golf balls. Both are the same model Pro V1 and the new balls were the yellow version.

The test was done on a good early June evening with temperatures around 20 Celsius and very little wind. The same diver was used to compare the golf balls, a Titleist TSR3 with 10.0 degrees of loft and a Fujikura Ventus shaft.

12 drives were hit with each type of ball and the results were recorded with a Trackman IV launch monitor. Each type of ball was hit three times and then alternated to the next one until 12 shots were hit with each.

The main performance numbers that we looked are were club head speed, ball speed, carry, total distance, accuracy, launch angle, peak height and spin rates. Ultimately the main ones to be interested in are ball speed, carry, total distance and accuracy.

 

Results

 

Dispersion of the Shots

 

Golf Ball

Club Speed MPH

Ball Speed MPH

Carry Yards

Total Distance Yards

New

102.7

152.7

246.5

270.5

Used

 

102.5

151.6

248.1

272.2

 

Dispersion Feet

Launch Angle

Spin Rate

Height Feet

New

23.22

12.9

2653

94

Used

32.96

12.3

2755

93


We can see from the results that both new and used balls gave very similar results in ball speed, carry, total distance, launch angle, spin rates and height. 

There was a difference in accuracy. The accuracy measurement was calculated from the average left or right the balls were from the target. The used balls were more accurate than the new balls, nearly 10 feet more accurate. You'd have to say this is significant enough.


Analysis and Conclusion


From this test we can say that used balls in it had no drop off in performance in comparison to new balls. This test would strongly suggest that you can use a Titleist ball until you lose it. If anything the used balls were better than the new balls with the difference in accuracy.

Why would the used balls be better? Did the golfer just randomly hit better shots with the used balls? It's a possibility but having a sequence where not all the same type of balls were hit in a row would mitigate against this a little. Hitting more balls would give better data but 12 is similar to the number of drivers a golfer hits in a round so is a reasonable data set.

Did some of the scuff marks make the used balls fly better? Again it's a slight but unlikely possibility given how much research golf ball manufacturers do on golf ball dimple patterns, they would have discovered this already and be selling balls with scuff marks on them.

There is another possibility, the new balls were the yellow version of the Titleist Pro V1 and the golfer reacted differently to the yellow ball in comparison to the used balls which were white. It's a possibility but not a certainty. It would seem another test is needed to compare the white version to the yellow version.


Comments and questions are always welcome.

Monday, 26 October 2020

Testing Shaft Length in Drivers: What Does Extra Length Do?

How Does the Length of Shaft affect Driver Performance?


Earlier in the year we did some testing on the effect of different lengths of shafts in Driver performance. Typically, shorter shafts give more control and longer shafts give more club head speed. Is this true and how much of a difference is there between them?

We tested four lengths, 44.25, 45, 45.75 and 46.5 inches. All were 75 grams in weight and stiff flex. We used the same PXG 0811X 10.5 degree driver for all the shots. Also a swingweight of D2 was used for all lengths, meaning weight was added or subtracted from the head to maintain the same balance in all lengths.

 


 

 

The testing was done on an April day, about 14 degrees Celsius and a slight breeze approx 5mph helping. The golfer performed a warm-up before the testing. The ball used in the test was the Titleist ProV1. The methodology of the test was to hit 3 shots with the 44.25, then 3 shots with the 45, 45.75, 46.5, returning to the 44.25 and following the same procedure until 12 shots were hit with each.

 

 



Results


Shaft Length

Club Speed MPH

Ball Speed MPH

Carry Yards

Total Distance Yards

44.25

100.4

149.0

239.3

269.1

45

101.5

150.0

240.3

268.9

45.75

103.2

150.1

245.4

269.8

46.5

104.7

152.8

249.3

274.1

 

Dispersion- Feet

Launch Angle

Spin Rate

Height - Feet

44.25

27.7

11.3

2565

73

45

38.6

11.3

2503

78

45.75

45.1

11.6

2968

84

46.5

30.2

11.5

2639

88


What we are mainly looking for length and accuracy. Dispersion is the indicator used for accuracy. Ball Speed, Club Speed, Carry and Total Distance are the indicators used for distance.

The 44.25 length gave the best accuracy with an average distance of 27.7 feet off the target line, the 46.5 length wasn't too far behind with an average of 30.2 feet. The 45.75 length was the worst with an average of 45.1.

The best ball speed, club head speed, carry and total distance came from the 46.5 length. The lowest came from the 44.25 with each shaft length gaining in distance performance over the previous one.

The 46.5 length had 4.3 mph more club head speed, 3.8 mph more ball speed, 10 yards more carry and 5 yards more total distance then the 44.25 length.


Shaft Length

Attack Angle

Club Path

Face to Path

44.25

-0.3

-0.5

-1.0

45

0.0

-1.3

-0.1

45.75

-0.2

-1.6

-0.3

46.5

0.3

-0.8

-1.5

 

While we were mainly looking at distance and accuracy we also checked the impact factors. At times shorter shafts and move the club path more in to out and longer shafts more out to in, meaning that slicers can have a much more significant gain in accuracy with a shorter shaft.


For this golfer who has a relatively neutral swing we didn't see big differences in club path.


Analysis


The best accuracy was with the shortest shaft and the longest distance was with the longest shaft. This is not always the case, many times with longer shafts centredness of contact gets worse and as a result ball speed is lower. When fitting for length we test the 4 lengths and use the one that gives the highest ball speed, while keeping an eye on accuracy.

The percentage breakdown of the lengths that work best in our fittings are

Length

 

44.25 inches 14.4%

45 inches 49.4%

45.75 inches 22.9%

46.5 inches 13.3%

 

 

 

Also note in the results, the club head and ball speed in the 44.25 length is 100.4 and 149, in the 46.5 length it is 104.7 and 152.8, a 4.3 difference in club head speed and only a 3.8 increase in ball speed, we normally would expect to see more ball speed but this is explained from the swingweighting of the clubs. With a shorter shaft more weight is needed in the head to keep the swing weight up, less weight is needed in the longer shaft, more weight in the head means a slightly better transfer to ball speed from club head speed and the lighter head in the longer shaft means a little worse transfer of ball speed. The lighter head also means a little more club head speed.



The change in club head speed for this golfer from shortest to longest shaft was 100.4-101.5-103.2-104.7. Jumps of 1.1, 1.7 and 1.5 mph. We could surmise that you gain around 1mph club head speed with each added inch to a driver with the little extra gains seen from the lighter head as the length increased.


Conclusion


For this golfer a longer shaft did give more length and the shortest shaft did give the most accuracy. The longer shaft does add club head speed but not to the degree where we might see 20 or 30 yard gains. Ultimately the test shows again the need for every golfer to test to see what works best for them, a 45 inch shaft works best for nearly 50% of golfers that come to Drive Golf Performance but that also means that 50% can find extra performance out of a different length.


Any questions and comments are welcome.